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  • Why Andruw Jones, Billy Wagner belong in Hall of Fame


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    ATLANTA — This will be the last time I need to ask why has had to wait so much longer than to gain election to the Hall of Fame. But I’m guessing we’ll be touting ’ Cooperstown résumé again next year.

    The results of this year’s Hall of Fame balloting will be announced on Tuesday at 6 p.m. ET on MLB Network. Ichiro Suzuki, CC Sabathia, Carlos Beltrán and Wagner should enter that day feeling good about election. Unfortunately for Jones, he might be this year’s player who falls just a handful of votes shy of the necessary 75 percent.

    Fortunately for Jones, this just positions him to be elected next year and possibly have the stage to himself during the 2026 induction ceremony.

    Jones, Suzuki and four current Hall of Famers — Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline and Ken Griffey Jr. — are the only outfielders to ever win 10 Gold Glove Awards.

    While winning those 10 consecutive Gold Gloves from 1998-2007, Jones ranked third among all MLB players with a 57.6 bWAR, behind only Alex Rodriguez (80) and Barry Bonds (71). Chipper Jones, Todd Helton and Albert Pujols each produced a 54.9 mark during this decade-long stretch.

    Andruw Jones had seven 30-homer seasons, including an MLB-best 51-homer campaign in 2005. But what truly set him apart was the defensive excellence that has led many to continue to consider him to be the best center fielder the game has ever seen.

    Jones had a 24.2 defensive WAR from 1998-2007. The next closest players were Hall of Famers Scott Rolen (15.1) and Ivan “Pudge” Rodriguez (13.5).

    Yeah, there was a steep decline late in Jones’ career. But he captured the baseball world’s attention at age 19 and spent the next decade proving to be elite. If you give leeway to a player who debuts at 23 and then starts to decline in their mid-30s, then the same grace should be given to Jones, who was as good as it gets for an entire decade.

    My case for Wagner
    From 1995 (the debut season for Wagner and Mariano Rivera) through 2010 (Wagner’s final season), Rivera led all relievers in fWAR with 34.9. Wagner ranked second with 24.1, and Hoffman ranked third with 24.0.

    The baseball world has wisely minimized the significance of pitching wins. Maintaining this same line of reasoning in relation to Wagner — who had 422 career saves, as opposed to 652 for Rivera and 601 for Hoffman — there’s reason to argue voters have placed too much emphasis on save totals when evaluating a reliever’s qualifications.

    Hoffman was elected to the Hall of Fame in 2018, and Rivera was elected unanimously in ’19. While Hoffman totaled 179 more saves, Wagner had a better ERA (2.31 vs. 2.87), a higher strikeout rate (33.2% vs. 25.8%) and a lower OPS surrendered (.558 vs. .609).

    So why was Hoffman elected in his third year on the ballot while Wagner has had to wait until his 10th year to potentially get elected?

    Hopefully, we get a chance to ask similar questions about ’s candidacy over the next few years. Here’s a tidbit I included in last week’s newsletter:

    McCann ranked second among all MLB catchers with 40.2 bWAR from 2005-13. The only catcher to produce a higher WAR during that nine-season span was Joe Mauer (45). Mauer, who handled the Twins’ catching duties just once after the 2013 season, finished his career with a 53.5 WAR. McCann remained behind the plate throughout his career and retired with a 52.1 WAR.

    Mauer became a first-ballot Hall of Famer last year and early projections indicate McCann might not get the 5 percent of the vote needed to stay on the ballot for a second year. Gaps like these just highlight the inconsistencies we often see during the Hall of Fame balloting process.

    It’s worth noting that Jones received less than 8 percent of the votes during his first two years on the ballot and Wagner received less than 11 percent during his first two years of eligibility.



    Andruw Jones and Billy Wagner are two former MLB players who are often overlooked when it comes to Hall of Fame discussions. However, their statistics and contributions to the game make a strong case for their induction into Cooperstown.

    Andruw Jones was a defensive wizard in center field, winning 10 Gold Glove awards over his career. He also had a powerful bat, hitting 434 home runs and driving in 1,289 runs. Jones was a five-time All-Star and played a key role in the Atlanta Braves’ success during the late 1990s and early 2000s. His combination of elite defense and power at the plate make him a deserving candidate for the Hall of Fame.

    Billy Wagner was one of the most dominant closers of his era, recording 422 saves and striking out 1,196 batters in his career. Wagner was a seven-time All-Star and finished in the top 10 in Cy Young voting four times. His 2.31 career ERA and 0.998 WHIP are among the best in history for relievers. Wagner’s consistency and dominance out of the bullpen make him a strong candidate for the Hall of Fame.

    Both Jones and Wagner may not have the traditional Hall of Fame numbers like 3,000 hits or 300 wins, but their impact on the game cannot be understated. Their defensive prowess, offensive production, and dominance on the mound make them two of the most deserving candidates for induction into Cooperstown. It’s time for the Hall of Fame voters to recognize their contributions to the game and enshrine them among the all-time greats.

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  • Why Andruw Jones gets my vote, steroid users do not


    Voting for the National Baseball Hall of Fame is a privilege.

    Also a pain.

    No Hall of Fame and maybe nothing short of Jordan vs. LeBron talk seems to elicit more debate in sports than baseball Hall of Fame talk. I blame Pete Rose. And steroids.

    The exclusion of Rose, for gambling, and debate over those tied to the Steroid Era seem to forever stoke passionate argument. Is the Hall supposed to be a museum of baseball accomplishments or a monument to personal integrity? I’ll leave that to you to discuss. What I can do is this: Provide my ballot (voted for the 10-man maximum again) and my explanations. Oh, and take questions on social media, where everybody has an opinion.

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    Anyway, here goes. Here’s my slate of votes (in alphabetical order): Carlos Beltrán, Mark Buehrle, Andruw Jones, Ian Kinsler, Dustin Pedroia, Andy Pettitte, CC Sabathia, Ichiro Suzuki, Chase Utley and Billy Wagner. And, right or wrong, my explanations:

    Historic achievements matter: If Rose was the “Hit King,” Suzuki would be the Hit Emperor. Between Japan and MLB, his 4,367 hits are the most in the world. Add in winning both Rookie of the Year and MVP in a dynamic first season in the majors, changing the trajectory for Japanese prospects, 10 Gold Gloves, a full decade of 200-hit seasons in the majors and four — four! — seasons in which he hit .350 or better. He’s as automatic as there is. There may not be any “right” answers on this ballot, but there is only one absolutely wrong one: Leaving Ichiro off.

    New York Yankees designated hitter Alex Rodriguez (13) tosses his glove in the stands after...
    New York Yankees designated hitter Alex Rodriguez (13) tosses his glove in the stands after grounding out during the ninth inning at Globe Life Park in Arlington on Monday, July 27, 2015. The Texas Rangers lost to the New York Yankees 6-2. (THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS)

    Penalties matter: The Steroid Era blurred a lot of lines and led a lot of voters to consider their own policies toward those accused of performance-enhancing drug use. Punished steroid users are on the ballot, so perhaps that should be the ultimate decider. But I also know lots of players who weren’t caught — or suspected — whose careers legacies may have come up short when compared with users. As such, I’ve developed a pretty low bar in my mind that gives the benefit of the doubt to anybody not convicted and punished by MLB. But if you were willful and wanton enough to break the PED rules once they went into effect, at the moment, I still see no reason to reward that. Why Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez have not appeared on my ballots.

    Awards matter: Know who else won 10 Gold Gloves on this ballot? Jones. He won 10 in a row. In center field, the last of them at the age of 30. Jones’ star may have faded quicker than we expected, but it burned brighter. He was the best defensive center fielder in baseball for a decade.

    Unless they don’t: Omar Vizquel won 11 Gold Gloves. Torii Hunter won nine. Neither got my vote this year. History and deeper understanding of defensive metrics have not been kind to Vizquel, whose entire case was built on defensive excellence. Hunter won nine straight Gold Gloves in center field. What’s the difference between the definitive vote for Jones and leaving Hunter off? It’s one I wrestle with each year, but Jones had 80 more homers and a 30-point higher career OPS. Hunter gets a lot of consideration here, but ultimately, Jones was a more complete player. And when you get down to the bottom of your ballot, tough choices end up being made.

    Lack of awards matter, too: Bobby Abreu’s OPS and base-running ability were stellar. But at what point was he ever considered one of the best in the game. Won a single Gold Glove, a single Silver Slugger and made two All-Star teams. Never finished in the top 10 in his league in MVP voting. He put together one solid season after another. But if a guy wasn’t ever considered one of the elites among his peers, how can he be considered one among all-time greats? On the other hand, Beltrán, had nine All-Star Game berths, two Silver Sluggers and three Gold Gloves. There was significant difference in how the two were perceived when they played.

    Innings matter: Well, to me anyway. In this century, what’s the most valuable thing a starting pitcher can do? Provide innings. We’ve seen thresholds for what constitutes durability drop as far as 150 innings a year now. Get that and you’ve got a reliable starter. Buehrle pitched 15 full seasons in the majors. In each of the first 14, he pitched more than 200 innings. In the 15th: 198⅔. Guess he knew it was time to go. In this century, his 15 seasons with at least 198 innings are the most in the majors; Justin Verlander is three shy. Until something changes in baseball, Buehrle is going to be remembered as the last great durable pitcher. Add in that he and Zack Greinke were also the two best fielding pitchers in this century and it puts him over the top. For me.

    Seattle Mariners starting pitcher Felix Hernandez (34) is removed from the game in the 8th...
    Seattle Mariners starting pitcher Felix Hernandez (34) is removed from the game in the 8th inning of MLB Baseball action after giving up a triple to Texas Rangers center fielder Leonys Martin (2) at Globe Life Park in Arlington, Texas on Wednesday, April 16, 2014. (Brad Loper – Staff Photographer)

    It’s harder and harder to properly evaluate starting pitching: The three starters who got my votes — Buerhle, Sabathia and Pettitte — all had over 3,000 career innings and 200 wins and at least five seasons each with 15 wins. According to Baseball Reference, their career WARs ranged from 59-62, essentially identical. Félix Hernández, who would have been 11th on my 10-man ballot, fell short in each of those categories. There was a 10-win difference in Buerhle’s 59 WAR and Hernández’s 49. Do I feel absolute about this? No.

    It’s even harder to properly evaluate relievers: It’s also hard to find significant differences between Wagner, who got my vote, and Francisco Rodríguez, who did not. Wagner, in his last year of eligibility, has received my vote for several years. Reality: It’s hard to withdraw a vote for him in his final year of eligibility. But the differences are slight, at best. Both had 400 career saves and impressive numbers across the board. But Wagner had a better ERA, ERA+, WHIP and strikeout-to-walk rate.

    Learning from past mistakes matters, too: Over the last 20 years, I take the biggest exception with these omissions: Gary Sheffield and Jeff Kent. Sheffield, who consistently got my vote, was probably punished due to steroid suspicions. In the case of Kent, I think we (and by “we,” I include myself) simply undervalued him. Some of that may be due to playing a position — second base — that gets traditionally undervalued. Guys typically don’t stay at second base long. If they are really good defenders, they move to a more demanding position. If they are awful in the field, well, they get stuck at first or DH.

    So, maybe I’m overcompensating for past errors, but Utley was the best offensive second baseman of a generation. In addition, I added two remarkably similar guys who started on the same college team and whose careers paralleled each other in a lot of ways: Pedroia and Kinsler. Pedroia won a Rookie of the Year, an MVP, was considered the emotional leader of a pair of World Series winners and took home four Gold Gloves. Kinsler was Pedroia’s equal as a catalyst and emotional leader and actually finished with a higher career WAR (54-51). I watched most of Kinsler’s career firsthand. Maybe that makes me a bit biased. It’s OK. If all this is, is a tip of the cap to a career well-done, Kinsler, it’s well-deserved.

    And if it’s a mistake, hey, it won’t be the first one. Maybe not even on this ballot.

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    Andruw Jones is a former MLB player who had an impressive career, highlighted by his exceptional defensive skills and power hitting. Throughout his career, Jones was a 10-time Gold Glove winner and a five-time All-Star. He also hit over 400 home runs and had a career batting average of .254.

    One of the main reasons why I would vote for Andruw Jones for the Hall of Fame is because he achieved his success through hard work and natural talent. Jones never tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and there have been no credible allegations of him using steroids. He played the game the right way and earned his accomplishments through dedication, skill, and determination.

    On the other hand, many players who have been linked to steroid use have tarnished their legacies and the integrity of the game. These players cheated their way to success and their statistics are tainted by their use of illegal substances. I believe that players who have cheated should not be rewarded with induction into the Hall of Fame.

    In conclusion, Andruw Jones deserves my vote for the Hall of Fame because he played the game with integrity and achieved his success through hard work and natural talent. Steroid users do not deserve the same recognition and should not be rewarded for cheating the game and its fans.

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  • Did Andruw Jones play his way OUT of the Hall of Fame?


    How many times do you need to be great to become immortal?

    More than ever before, that’s the question that has weighed on my mind this winter as I follow the progress of the 2025 Hall of Fame voting. Actually, it’s two questions: How many great seasons does a player need to put up before he’s a Hall of Famer? And once he has recorded those seasons, can he then play his way out of the Hall?

    There is no perfect way to answer the first question, though with the second question, I’ve emphatically landed on “no” as the answer. That is, once a player has put up a Hall of Fame performance, he can’t then un-Hall himself on the field.

    Let’s consider the career patterns of two players on the current HOF ballot:

    Player A: First 10 full seasons: 57.9 bWAR; Remainder of career: Six seasons, 4.7 bWAR

    Player B: First 10 full seasons: 54.8 bWAR; Remainder of career: Nine seasons, 5.2 bWAR

    Before we reveal the players, let’s put the measurements in some historical context: Both players are hitters. When you compare the 10-year numbers to every 10-year chunk of any player in history, those figures both land in the top percentile — Player A is at 99.5; Player B at 99.4. The median Hall of Famer has a peak 10-year measurement that slots in with a percentile rank of 99.1. In other words, in this first step of taking the empirical temperature of these two careers, both are clearly above the line.

    Now, who are the players?

    Player A is Andruw Jones, who is teetering on the brink of an eighth straight winter of falling short on the balloting. As of now, he clocks in at 72.6%, a figure that is likely to fall when final results are revealed. Last year, Jones’ number dropped about 3% once anonymous ballots were folded in.

    Player B is Ichiro Suzuki, who stands a solid chance to become the second-ever unanimous Hall selection. If that happens, it’s deserved — he’s a no-brainer Hall pick.

    But what I can’t understand is how Jones, in the minds of so many voters, has somehow played himself out of the Hall while literally none of them think that Ichiro did the same thing.

    How does that happen? It’s a fascinating case study in what makes a Hall of Famer.



    Andruw Jones, a former MLB outfielder known for his exceptional defensive skills and power hitting, has been a topic of debate among baseball fans and analysts when it comes to his Hall of Fame candidacy. While Jones was once considered a shoo-in for Cooperstown, his career trajectory has taken a turn that has some questioning whether he played his way out of the Hall of Fame.

    Jones burst onto the scene as a teenage prodigy with the Atlanta Braves, winning multiple Gold Glove awards and earning All-Star nods. He was a key contributor to the Braves’ success in the late 1990s and early 2000s, helping them reach multiple postseasons.

    However, as Jones entered the latter stages of his career, his performance began to decline. He bounced around multiple teams, struggling to replicate his earlier success. His offensive numbers dipped, and injuries hampered his playing time. By the time he retired in 2012, Jones’ career had taken a downward trajectory that left some questioning his Hall of Fame credentials.

    Despite his defensive prowess and power hitting, Jones’ overall resume falls short in some key areas compared to other Hall of Fame outfielders. His career batting average and on-base percentage are below the Hall of Fame standard, and he never led the league in any major offensive categories.

    While Jones may have played his way out of the Hall of Fame conversation with his late-career struggles, his impact on the game during his prime cannot be overlooked. Ultimately, the decision on whether he belongs in Cooperstown will be up to the voters, but it’s clear that Jones’ candidacy is no longer the slam dunk it once appeared to be.

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